oksyda z allegro ??

[zenek930]

jak sądzicie czy ta okyda z allegro jest coś warta ??
http://allegro.pl/promocja-oksyda-110ml-w-plynie-na-zimno-do-stali-i2546448175.html
jaką wy polecacie używacie ??

[Mrn31]

Wyrażenie klucz "do oksydowania stali węglowej na zimno" zatem pewnie nierdzewki nie złapie, choć mogę się mylić, nie bawię się w oksydowanie i wolę noże w wersji satin

[zenek930]

ja chce właśnie za oksydować stal węglową,
chce zabezpieczyć ją jakoś przed korozją

[homer]

Oksyda na zimno zejdzie szybciej niż się spodziewasz, trwalsza nieco jest taka na gorąco. Dla ścisłości, nie jest to zabezpieczenie przed korozją.

[ag111ga]

Najbardziej znana (wsrod gawiedzi   ), jest ta:

Ja natomiaest, najczesciej, uzywam takiej:

Ale nie widze powodu dla ktorego, taka, alledrogowa, miala by byc duzo gorsza.
Musisz tylko pamietac, zeby dokladnie odtluscic, przed oksydowaniem i dokladnie wyplukac i natluscic, po oksydowaniu.
Dobrze jest tez nagrzac przedmiot i oksyde do temperatury "powyzej pokojowej", 40-50 stopni, nie wiecej.
Druga sprawa, to trwalosc oksydy na zimno, ona twardnieje z wiekiem, czyli zaraz po oksydowaniu, bedzie dosc latwo schodzila, najlepiej bylo by zostawic przedmiot na, conajmniej kilka miesiecy.

[borutaws]

Oksyda (...) nie jest to zabezpieczenie przed korozją.

a po co się to robi?

[zenek930]

http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oksydowanie

[ag111ga]

Za takie wyjasnienie, to ja dziekuje

Edytka
Dupa z linka 

Bluing is a passivation process in which steel is partially protected against rust, and is named after the blue-black appearance of the resulting protective finish. True gun bluing is an electrochemical conversion coating resulting from an oxidizing chemical reaction with iron on the surface selectively forming magnetite (Fe3O4), the black oxide of iron. Black oxide provides minimal protection against corrosion, unless also treated with a water-displacing oil to reduce wetting and galvanic action. A distinction can be made between traditional bluing and some other more modern black oxide coatings, although bluing is a subset of black oxide coatings.

In comparison, rust, the red oxide of iron (Fe2O3), undergoes an extremely large volume change upon hydration; as a result, the oxide easily flakes off causing the typical reddish rusting away of iron. "Cold", "Hot", "Rust Blue" and "Fume Blue" are oxidizing processes simply referred to as bluing.

"Cold" bluing is generally a selenium dioxide based compound that colors steel black, or more often a very dark gray. It is a difficult product to apply evenly, offers minimal protection and is generally best used for small fast repair jobs and touch-ups.

The "Hot" process is an alkali salt solution, referred to as "Traditional Caustic Black", that is typically done at an elevated temperature - 275 °F (135 °C) to 310 °F (155 °C) . This method was adopted by larger firearm companies for large scale, more economical bluing. It does provide good rust resistance which is improved with the use of oil.

"Rust Bluing" and "Fume Bluing" provide the best rust and corrosion resistance as the process continually converts any metal that is capable of rusting into (Fe3O4). Treating with an oiled coating enhances the protection offered by the bluing. This process is also the only process safely used to re-blue vintage shotguns. Many double barreled shotguns are silver brazed together and many of the parts are attached by that method also. The higher temperatures of the other processes as well as their caustic nature can weaken the brazed joints and make the gun hazardous to use.[citation needed]Contents  [hide]

Usage

Bluing is most commonly used by gun manufacturers, gunsmiths and gun owners to improve the cosmetic appearance of and provide a measure of corrosion resistance to their firearms. It was also used by machinists, who protected and beautified tools made for their own use. Bluing also helps to maintain the metal finish by resisting tangential scratching, and also helps to reduce glare to the eyes of the shooter when looking down the barrel of the gun. All blued parts still need to be properly oiled to prevent rust. Bluing, being a chemical conversion coating, is not as robust against wear and corrosion resistance as plated coatings, and is typically no thicker than 2.5 micrometres (0.0001 inches). For this reason, it is considered not to add any appreciable thickness to precisely-machined gun parts.

New guns are typically available in blued finish options offered as the least-expensive finish, and this finish is also the least effective at providing rust resistance, relative to other finishes such as Parkerizing or hard chrome plating or nitriding processes like Tenifer.

Bluing is also used for providing coloring for steel parts of fine clocks and other fine metalwork.

Bluing is often a hobbyist endeavor, and there are many methods of bluing, and continuing debates about the relative efficacy of each method.

Historically, razor blades were often blued steel. A non-linear resistance property of the blued steel of razor blades, foreshadowing the same property that would later be discovered in semiconductor diode junctions, along with the ready availability of blued steel razor blades, led to the use of razor blades as a detector in the crystal set AM radios which were often built by soldiers during World War II.[1]

Hot versus cold bluing

Bluing may be applied, for example, by immersing the steel parts of the gun to be blued in a solution of potassium nitrate, sodium hydroxide, and water heated to the boiling point, 275 °F to 310 °F depending on the recipe. Similarly, stainless steel parts of the gun to be blued are immersed in a mixture of nitrates and chromates, similarly heated. Either of these two methods is called hot bluing. There are many other methods of hot bluing. Hot bluing is the current standard in gun bluing, as both it and rust bluing provide the most permanent degree of rust-resistance and cosmetic protection of exposed gun metal.

Acid solution applied to bare metal.

After boiling rusted parts.

After eight rust, carding and oiling sessions.

Rust bluing was developed between hot and cold bluing processes. It was originally used by gunsmiths in the 19th century to blue firearms prior to the development of hot bluing processes. The process was to coat the gun parts in an acid solution, let the parts rust uniformly, then immerse the parts in boiling water to stabilize the rusting process by removing any remaining residue from the applied acid solution. Then the rust was carded (scrubbed) off, using a carding brush or wheel. A carding brush is a wire brush with very soft, thin (usually about .002 thick) wires. This process is repeated until the desired depth of color is achieved or the metal simply will not color any further. This is one of the reasons rust and fume bluing tend to be more rust resistant than any other method. The parts are then oiled and allowed to stand overnight. This process leaves a deep blue/black finish.

Fume bluing is another process similar to rust bluing. Instead of applying the acid solution directly to the metal parts, the parts are placed in a sealed cabinet with a moisture source, a container of nitric acid and a container of hydrochloric acid. The cabinet is then sealed. The mixed fumes of the acids will produce a uniform rust on the surface of the parts (inside and out) in about 12 hours. The parts are then boiled in distilled water, blown dry, then carded, as with rust bluing. These processes were later abandoned by major firearm manufacturers as it often took parts days to finish completely, and was very labor intensive. It is still sometimes used by gunsmiths to obtain an authentic finish for a period gun of the time that rust bluing was in vogue, analogous to the use of browning on earlier representative firearm replicas. Rust bluing is also used on shotgun barrels that are soldered to the rib between the barrels, as hot bluing solutions would dissolve the solder during the bluing process.

There are also methods of cold bluing, which do not require heated solutions. Commercial products are widely sold in small bottles for cold bluing firearms, and these products are primarily used by individual gun owners for implementing small touch-ups to a gun's finish, to prevent a small scratch from becoming a major source of rust on a gun over time. At least one of the cold bluing solutions contains selenium dioxide, to accomplish the bluing. Cold bluing is not particularly resistant to holster wear, nor does it provide a large degree of rust resistance. It does, however, often provide an adequate cosmetic touch-up of a gun's finish when applied and additionally oiled on a regular basis, however, rust bluing small areas will often match and blend better and wear better than any cold bluing process.

Large scale industrial hot bluing is often performed using a bluing furnace. This is an alternative method for creating the black oxide coating. In place of using a hot bath (although at a lower temperature) chemically-induced method, it is possible through controlling the temperature to heat steel precisely such as to cause the formation of black oxide selectively over the red oxide. It, too, must be oiled to provide any significant rust resistance.

[borutaws]

  chyba sobie rdzawo zaoksyduję jakiegoś noża

[jamesbond]

co do oksydy na zimno to są różne, ta polecona przez @ag111ga jest ok, natomiast część allegrowych wygląda jak maźnięcie mazakiem do płyt.

[desacration]

oksydowanie na zimno mija sie z celem oksyda bardzo szybko schodzi i stali nierdzewnych nie lapie gdyz musza wytworzyc sie tlenki czyli delikatna korozja

[jamesbond]

pasywacja?

[desacration]

pasywacja to calkiem inna bajka stosowana w aluminium i inoxach miedzi

[Bartek_Wojciechowski]

oksydowanie na zimno mija sie z celem oksyda bardzo szybko schodzi i stali nierdzewnych nie lapie gdyz musza wytworzyc sie tlenki czyli delikatna korozja

Takie oksydowanie dobre jest, by sprzęt dobrze się prezentował i wyglądał w gablocie, na ścianie.
Do użytku to paradoks, nakładam, by przy użyciu złaziło by znów nałożyć.
Z drugiej strony ciekawe jak smakuje pasztetowa z oksydą o smaku stali węglowej 

[homer]

Ta oksyda wchodzi częściowo w pory stali, czyli jest chociaż jej nie ma i to już ma nieco sensu.